Alistair Cockburn: The Post-Agile Age

9 comments on Alistair Cockburn: The Post-Agile Age

  1. What do you think? And what else would you have asked? I’ll get any follow-up questions to Alistair for response. Thanks for listening and please share to help us get the word out!

  2. I think I am the only Agile geek listening to this stuff on the weekend…Great interview! Excellent discussion. I look forward to future podcasts.

    Alistair has always been an inspiration (Heart of Agile is amazing). Some great points!
    -Shorter releases (1 hour to 1 day is present day culture)
    -No two teams working the same way should be part of an agreement
    -Reflective improvement frameworks assists
    -Dig “why” are others thinking something; what’s behind their thinking (generous listening). Culture listening!

    Great points in a short time. Just some questions:

    How can we be post Agile when “Deloitte and McKinsey show that more than 90% of senior executives give high priority to becoming agile, while less than 10% see their firm as currently highly agile”? It seems in many instances we are just starting the Agile journey.

    Second, what is Alistair’s thoughts on SAFe?

    Thank you again!

    1. mohagar says:

      Thanks Jason! The next interview is with Esther Derby and will be posted one day next week. As for your questions, I’ll see if I can get Alistair in here to respond. I see you’re in Charlotte and I’m in Raleigh so hopefully our paths will cross soon.

      1. Thanks buddy, I look forward to the next interview. Great guest selection! I am sure at some point our paths will cross. Thanks again!

  3. One more question: What does Alistair think is a good Agile metric to determining if a team is “agile”?

  4. Jonathan: Those are each large questions – I’ll give a short version of a reply to each.

    1. How can we be post Agile when “Deloitte and McKinsey show that more than 90% of senior executives give high priority to becoming agile, while less than 10% see their firm as currently highly agile”? It seems in many instances we are just starting the Agile journey.

    “Crossing the Chasm”, Geoffrey Moore, describes the journey for universal acceptance: innovators, early adopters, early majority, late majority, laggards. You’ll never get all of them. Agile crossed the chasm a decade ago, is in the late majority now, , late majority are learning, early majority is already using, and the early adopters have long moved on. At this point we’re up against normal limits of adoption, where people say one thing and do another, etc.

    2. What is Alistair’s thoughts on SAFe?

    I don’t see anything wrong with the structure of SAFe by itself, what’s causing the problem is execs hoping to buy a package for a few million $$$ that will change everyone’s behavior in a heartbeat. Actually what has to be done is to work slowly with each person individually to help find their fit with the new cultural rules, and this can’t be ordered from above.

    3. What does Alistair think is a good Agile metric to determining if a team is “agile”?

    I don’t have one, particularly, I’m not generally a fan of metrics. However, one measure of organizational agility might be how long it takes from an event in the world outside the org until the org delivers a response back to the world. That’s the delivery aspect of agility. “Agile” brings along also a cultural component, which has to do with the humanity of the org, and for this I don’t know a metric.

    Thanks for the questions.

    1. mohagar says:

      Great responses. Thanks Alistair. Jonathan, the metrics here sound like kanban lead and cycle time.

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